tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3039863.post7568173884674916221..comments2023-10-24T01:17:35.297-07:00Comments on Etaoin Shrdlu: Why are newspaper doomsayers usually so sloppy?Howardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08379598516764590842noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3039863.post-67672326720136689232009-08-25T08:42:33.079-07:002009-08-25T08:42:33.079-07:00Hard to argue with that, John.Hard to argue with that, John.Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08379598516764590842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3039863.post-58732242471344219202009-08-25T08:24:26.567-07:002009-08-25T08:24:26.567-07:00A fundamental issue is not that newspapers should ...A fundamental issue is not that newspapers should have invented Google or Craigslist, but that they should have recognized their obvious value and learned from them. In the fiscal landscape of the Internet, traffic and interaction are everything. It's the electronic equivalent of newspaper circulation. It pays the bills, it drives the ad revenue, it's not rocket science. Newspapers aren&#John Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13117207285374102403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3039863.post-10718375476124538972009-08-17T10:06:25.179-07:002009-08-17T10:06:25.179-07:00I’ve been directly *enagged in newspapers for 40 y...I’ve been directly *enagged in newspapers for 40 years, Bill. You’re full of shit.<br /><br />TYPO....engaged!DANIELBLOOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05130493903696077379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3039863.post-26408569606575147902009-08-17T10:02:14.738-07:002009-08-17T10:02:14.738-07:00Howard the main problem and you still have not rep...Howard the main problem and you still have not replied to me, and that is also part of the problem, people not replying to inquiries, only talkiing to VIPS, boo, is this: kids are not reading newspapers on paper anymore. there's been a huge shift. they are getting their news on screens. No matter what we do , print newspapers will soon be dinosaurs. Now will you answer my emails or not? I DANIELBLOOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05130493903696077379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3039863.post-6734170334178472742009-08-16T18:35:08.793-07:002009-08-16T18:35:08.793-07:00I'll take issue with this part of your respons...I'll take issue with this part of your response, not that it detracts much from the rest of what you write, per se:<br /><br />"... a key differentiation between newspapers and shoppers is that people want one of them enough to pay to have it delivered. That matters to advertisers."<br /><br />So have you ever compared the advertising lineage in a good shopper to that of the most Howard Owenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01667800456137944105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3039863.post-76416748551298784062009-08-16T13:08:22.991-07:002009-08-16T13:08:22.991-07:00In this particular case, it seems that the argumen...In this particular case, it seems that the argument is sloppy because the arguer does not have any substantial understanding of how the process of "creative destruction" following an innovation wave normally works.<br /><br />That is, Wyman is rewriting Shirkey's piece, <a href="http://www.shirky.com/weblog/2009/03/newspapers-and-thinking-the-unthinkable/" rel="nofollow">Newspapers BruceMcFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08502035881761277885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3039863.post-6773461396380682942009-08-16T12:14:35.368-07:002009-08-16T12:14:35.368-07:00Bradley: "Conventional wisdom" only mean...Bradley: "Conventional wisdom" only means "that which is conventionally thought to be wise." Of course it can be (and in my opinion often is) distinctly stupid.<br /><br />Like pay walls.Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08379598516764590842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3039863.post-18717745615969470142009-08-16T09:25:39.939-07:002009-08-16T09:25:39.939-07:00Wyman gives some very specific examples of corpora...Wyman gives some very specific examples of corporate-level stupidity that could have been prevented had the execs had the same level of tech-savvy as their underlings. AP's debacle of a plan to track content and charge for use indicates this stupidity is still with us at the highest levels. So much for "conventional wisdom."Bradley J. Fikeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09122849053315708616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3039863.post-48504933983292207442009-08-15T16:18:02.028-07:002009-08-15T16:18:02.028-07:00Allan: Indeed, he was. But this one wasn't. (I...Allan: Indeed, he was. But this one wasn't. (I checked).<br /><br />Lisa: I wouldn't presume to impute motive to all, but I have argued publicly many times that there is a cadre of "internet triumphalists" who always select pro-net or anti-newspaper factoids and extrapolate wildly. I am obviously a newspaper partisan, but I do my level best to be agnostic in evaluating the Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08379598516764590842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3039863.post-18586553334026440352009-08-15T15:33:22.998-07:002009-08-15T15:33:22.998-07:00Howard, have you read Harry Frankfurt's essay ...Howard, have you read Harry Frankfurt's essay "On Bullshit?" <br /><br />Frankfurt says that bullshit differs from lying in this way: liars know what the truth is and say something different, but bullshit happens when people are uninterested in the truth because their speech isn't really about the topic at all but about advancing an agenda. <br /><br />For example, people who Lisa Williamshttp://www.placeblogger.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3039863.post-17081123607554588942009-08-15T14:40:19.490-07:002009-08-15T14:40:19.490-07:00Isn't Bill Wyman the former bassist for the Ro...Isn't Bill Wyman the former bassist for the Rolling Stones?Allan Hovinghttp://www.paycheckr.comnoreply@blogger.com